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UPSET report: Drug problems on the rise in U.P.

54 of 240 complaints from Delta County

June 15, 2013

ESCANABA — Illegal drug problems are on the rise in the Upper Peninsula due in large part to increased availability of medications, easier ways to make narcotics, and more people being issued medica......

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bobthebulldog

Jun-19-13 10:22 PM

this is the same argument we had with alcohol in the 1920's. i say make it legal. if you drink don't drive. if you smoke a joint because you got cancer don't drive either.everybody is different.and yes i have seen both sides of the fence on the drug and alcohol issue.

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concernedresident

Jun-19-13 12:33 AM

It seems from all the posts here that the real problem is people are to busy pointing the finger, and accusing each other of doing drugs when clearly no one here truly knows what any of us do in our personal lives. Acceptance is the real problem. Like someone else has said, who cares what I and you do, as long as we're doing it in our houses and not bothering each other with it.

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MikeHawkburns420

Jun-18-13 8:55 PM

Explain this to me, How does me smoking a j**nt in my own home affect you in any way? It never has.. We should be able to do whatever the*****we want on our own property as long s its not harming others. Its a free country and if you dont like it, move the*****out. Why not go after ANYTHING that actualy harms people ather than trying to exterminate a plant LOL, it will never EVER happen. Did you know peanuts on average kill more people than bud does. I hope for your sake you never have to deal with cancer, because this plant DOES help.

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MikeHawkburns420

Jun-18-13 8:49 PM

Vauche, STFU.. You obviously know little to nothing on the subject.. Can NOT stand stupid b*tches like you... Sorry if that offended you... Wait, NO im not.

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ralphing

Jun-18-13 4:30 PM

The 12 plant thing is stupid. You can get 5 ounces off of one plant so even if you space out 12 plants, you're still going to have way over the 2 1/2 ounces allowed. But lower how many plants a person can possess and people like Vauche still won't be happy.

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ralphing

Jun-18-13 4:26 PM

Vauche: They were all in college, I consider that adulthood. Now they just indulge in that wonderful legal drug, alcohol. And you surely can't blame pot for our economic woes so I really don't get your connection.

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Vauche

Jun-18-13 3:23 PM

You keep telling yourself that Mike because I'm sure everyone out there is following the law. I mean who's actually checking? Naivety at it's best.

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Vauche

Jun-18-13 3:19 PM

Ralphing the last three presidents smoked pot as younger kids/men, not as adults. None the less look where we are at now in this country. Economically broke and morally corrupt. All in all not good examples for your position.

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MikeHawkburns420

Jun-18-13 2:00 AM

Just gonna add something on the "12 plant and 2 1/2 ounces" topic... Most people arent harvesting all 12 at once, so they wont be over weight. The plants are spread out so a person can harvest a few plants every few weeks or once a month.

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ralphing

Jun-17-13 7:23 PM

You just don't get it. The last 3 presidents admitted to smoking pot. People of all walks of life toke and live productive lives. They don't advertise for obvious reasons. You can't be that thick.

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Vauche

Jun-17-13 5:53 PM

Larry, I said stop smoking OR shooting up. I didn't imply you were an IV drug user specifically.

Does something have to cause deaths to be an epidemic? There's two types of dangers with drugs, health and socioeconomic. Not all bad things lead to physical death. Many lead to poverty and dependence on society. A death of a different sort.

Are most pot users doctors, bank presidents, or CEOs of companies? Exceptions abound everywhere. Who's clueless? You pointing out 3 exceptions when I can point to at least a third, if not more of the UP population. Yeah, drugs (including alcohol) have done this area real well. Whole lot of affluent around here. You just keep hanging on to those exceptions.

For the record I would not knowingly go to a doctor or bank where the president was a pot smoker. Poor choices make me question other decisions they make. I'm guessing there's a reason these folks don't advertise they're tokers

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ralphing

Jun-17-13 4:16 PM

Vauche: I've smoked pot with a doctor, a bank president, a CEO of a local business and ex cops. I suppose all of them are also unproductive members of our community. You are clueless. I wasn't impling that people are productive while they're are stoned no more than I would imply someone would be productive while buzzed on alcohol. People can have a balance in there lives and limit there usage to when their time is their own. But your closed mind can't grasp that.

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larry24

Jun-17-13 2:32 PM

Vauche for you to assume I am specifically an I.V. drug user makes you no different then all the political leaders and Agencies this County that act on assumptions instead of viewing the facts.What do you know about this so called epidemic that's terrorizing our community,show me how many deaths you can find directly related with suboxone. Of coarse you're going to assume I'm an addict.when you see me with a needle in my body I'll keep my mouth shut.I look at the facts,not my own assumptions to make decisions.You re no different then the ignorance all our community leaders share

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larry24

Jun-17-13 2:32 PM

Vauche for you to assume I am specifically an I.V. drug user makes you no different then all the political leaders and Agencies this County that act on assumptions instead of viewing the facts.What do you know about this so called epidemic that's terrorizing our community,show me how many deaths you can find directly related with suboxone. Of coarse you're going to assume I'm an addict.when you see me with a needle in my body I'll keep my mouth shut.I look at the facts,not my own assumptions to make decisions.You re no different then the ignorance all our community leaders share

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Vauche

Jun-17-13 9:45 AM

Larry stop smoking or shooting up for a moment. You must be high if you don't think buprenorphine products aren't epidemic in this community.

That one comment shows that doing drugs is harmful to a community, a state, and a species as a whole. It is the single dumbest thing I've seen on these comment boards to date.

You want to say that pot isn't as big a problem or as dangerous well ok. Pot in most cases is pretty benign but it is not without it's own problems whether health related or economically related. However, even I would say pot isn't the most deadly drug out there.

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Vauche

Jun-17-13 9:36 AM

Danny, my cluelessness is only rivaled by your own. I work in the business. I know the problems we have with drugs in this community. Your belief that 90% of "sick" people sell their drugs is assinine. This might depend on your definition of sick though.

I know exactly how much and how often narcotics are prescibed to people. You're right there, it's insane and often misprescibed at the behest of the patient who needs their fix or money to buy their drug of choice.

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Vauche

Jun-17-13 9:30 AM

No I don't watch reefer madness. I have also found that the majority of folks who use psycoactive substances rarely follow the law.

So what is the argument. If the law is 2 1/2ou any more is breaking the law sold or not.

Ralph read please. I didn't say you were condoning being high at work. I said you can't prevent it from happening and you can't gaurantee it won't. And no most consenting adult can't smoke pot and be productive. Their productivity will ALWAYS be reduced and their potential will always be lowered. It is an a-motivational drug after all.

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Spartytruth

Jun-17-13 7:51 AM

The issue is "illegal" drugs. People who have cards are "legal". Prescription drug abuse is a the scourge here.

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larry24

Jun-17-13 12:07 AM

Tailgater probably needs some help with substance abuse. People like this are why so much money is wasted on a war that can not be won....

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larry24

Jun-16-13 11:14 PM

Marijuana is hardly a problem and we don't need to spend Thousand of dollars on an agency to try to regulate it. Remeber our state voted to allow use for Medical purposes. Maybe soon we'll get smart like other states, legalize it for tax purposes. These states arn't having sevear issues with drug abuser. They got smart, instead of wasting money trying to control it, they're making money managing it. They have regulations to keep it in control. Again, ignorance in our community leaders. This should be a moral issure, not a legal one.

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larry24

Jun-16-13 10:59 PM

UPSET is nothing more then a waste of our communities money. Everytime they make any kind of "Bust" the amount and worth is EXAGGERATED only to manipulate our Counties to keep funding their unnecessary agency. I agree we have drug and addictioin issues in out area but it's hardly bad enough to where it couldn't be managed by our local Peace Officers. Also, this County is being misled into believing that (Suboxone, Subutex, buprenorphine) is an epidemic in our community. This chemical very rarly leads to overdoes and it's keeps addicts off of hard drugs such as ******, morphine, or Fentanyl, etc). Two years ago a young man in his twenty was taking off his Suboxone medication due to strick regulations, accusations, and IGNORANCE by Peace Officers, UPSET, Community Leaders. A month later he was found dead of an overdose in his parents bathroom. Before you make such judgements on whether a chemical is a problem or just a better choice addicts make, you need to look at the whole

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dannydods

Jun-16-13 8:37 PM

vauche you truely have no clue. these sick people that sell their pills are also con artists. you would really be surprised along with law enforcement how common narcotics are prescribed to people and the very high percentage of the people that sell them. if you grew up being exposed to it all the time you would know. sometimes the sick people take there meds, most of the time they sell them. believe it or not, it's in the 90% range.

the 12 plants is arguable. again if you were exposed to pot all your life you would know a lot more about it. no plants are grown the same. if your growing in a sea of green method, the yield is very low. some strains produce very little but the levels of the 80+ psychoactive ingredients are different. if you make good edibles you can easily argue 12 plants is not enough. dont try and argue something you know little about.

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smarterthanyou

Jun-16-13 8:31 PM

For the record it's HIPPA guys.

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concernedresident

Jun-16-13 5:00 PM

Does it truly matter to you, if the state in which you live is "broke" or not? At this point I'd say legalize pot just so everyone can stop crying about it and the state can start taxing it and make money off it. And there's nothing wrong with HIPAA if you think there is, why not just say you'd rather live in a policed "1984" state than live in a country that protects information and has legalized marijuana.

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smarterthanyou

Jun-16-13 2:35 PM

The discussion here is entertaining. My two cents: this article sounds like a fundraising and/or PR piece as they usually are.

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