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Board awards bid for new roof, despite issue

May 21, 2013

GLADSTONE — The Gladstone School Board awarded the contract for a new roof on the Gladstone High School despite the possibility of an injunction on the project by the state attorney general....

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Rulesarerules

May-26-13 10:58 AM

Yeah, okay. Good one.

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neumeier

May-24-13 10:17 PM

I'm amazed how many people don't get it.. The point isn't we didn't get the job, it's that they broke the law..

For the haters who act like children ... My mother taught me along time ago, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names and hate will never HURT me..

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arealyooper

May-23-13 11:46 AM

The better company won the bid!! Enough said!!I think someone should deliver a box of Puffs to Independent Roofing!!

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ken123

May-23-13 9:14 AM

Is there a rule that says Gladstone has to go with the lowest bidder? When i have something done i get 3 bids and go with the middle one. So does that mean i can be sued? Probably not. Waste of the AG`s time.

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neumeier

May-22-13 5:47 PM

It is easy to say anything you want, but shows people how smart you are when you can not spell or place your name behind it.

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Cheesehead

May-22-13 4:13 PM

Personally,

All thing’s being nearly equal,

I’d much rather award any job I have to a local contractor.

From over 50 years of experience,

Only Once has anyone locally refused to redeem their shoddy workmanship or ‘go good’ for “their misunderstandings”.

It is too hard to get someone, on a timely or emergency basis to come to Escanaba, when you really need them,

and when they’re over the hill, down the road, and far out of sight.

Independent roofing has been in business in this area for a looooong time.

Whether you like their methods or not, they’ve been in a small community, limited customers, but of late, they’re one of the few roofers left.

Roofing is a tough business, especially since most commercial roofs are out of sight and out of mind UNTIL THEY LEAK !

When you have ONE doctor in town, you have to submit to their care.

A GRIZZLY BEAR, once told me that ‘you can catch more’ with honey than by being growly - ugly.

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frogleggs

May-22-13 3:10 PM

“The game isn’t over as far as I’m concerned,

and my gloves are coming off. “

WOW !

Why p.I.s.s. around with the AG?

Why not the Supreme Court?

Now,

THAT

would be showing everyone, once and for all,

DON'T FOOL AROUND WITH PAULIE !

And, as far as I’M CONCERNED,

PAULIE, needn’t BID ANYWHERE AGAIN,

And,

I’D NEVER USE YOU FOR NUTHING !

pS.

I hope this doesn't get to be a popularity contest . . .

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EStacey

May-22-13 12:30 PM

I'm concerned about a train of thought that any Job should be awarded to the lowest bidder. Or that ALL bids should go to Local contractors first - that alone shouts, 'nepotism!' - Since we're talking about State Funding, all bids should be open to the State Contractors - After All, when you ask a guy in a City elsewhere in Michigan to help you pay for it (Taxes).. it's only fair the worker bees there get a shot at a job too. Now, I'm not in line to select Contractors, and I personally have no beef with Independent, I've known them for years, literally, but not the quality of their work. They stand on their own merit there - and I cannot say why their bid wasn't chosen over another. I am sad though, that a grievance was filed - and see little more coming from that than perhaps a 're-bidding' of the jobs ending in the same results. Whomever chose the Contractor for this job isn't to be undermined either, in my honest opinion. Good luck to all!

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Cheesehead

May-22-13 11:00 AM

don'bait, feed or tease the turkeys,

under penalty of law.

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Cheesehead

May-22-13 10:59 AM

don'bait, feed or tease the turkeys,

under penalty of law.

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hdm2008

May-22-13 10:20 AM

well is just really sad that someone wants to sue for not gettin a job. court system has better things to worry about that a contractor pouting!!

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neumeier

May-22-13 5:42 AM

hdm2008 you also do not state your name, nor do you have your facts right. In the 86 years that Independent roofing has been in delta county we have never been sued.. Also the only time we have been there is to testify against other contractor "shoddy work", and small claims when people refuse to pay their bill. So next time get yours facts straight.

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hdm2008

May-22-13 12:44 AM

also as part of contracting community for many years and working with many contractors,I know Neumeier and independent roofing is a name that has been dragged through the court system for obvious reasons. obviously you would want work to go to a local contractor but you want it done right. measurements could be obtained. obviously they have the equipment to get on the roof. go up there and measure it. if Paul is going to sue for not getting job because he was the lowest bidder is just outrageous! I've jobs not go to the lowest bidder many times! get over it!

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Cheesehead

May-21-13 3:12 PM

It is unwise to pay too much,

but it is ultimately worse to pay too little.

When you pay too much, you lose a little money

- that's all.

When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything,

because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do.

The common law of business balance prohibits paying

a little

and

getting a lot

- it can't be done.

If you deal with the lowest bidder,

it is well that you keep enough money set aside for the risk you run,

and if you did that,

you would have had enough to pay for something better other than the lowest bidder and his shortcuts.

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neumeier

May-21-13 3:06 PM

for the rebid. So we (Independent Roofing) rebid it per the spec, we were low again. Being the low bidder twice and being the local contractor as well as being alumni from Gladstone and taxpayers in the district, games are being played with the taxpayer’s dollars. The game isn’t over as far as I’m concerned, and my gloves are coming off.

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neumeier

May-21-13 3:01 PM

RedTigers I find it funny when you have the nerve to say shoddy work and over pricing, but lack the courage to have your name on your post. Independent Roofing has been Family owned and doing business in Delta County for 83 years and in business for 96 years, this wouldn’t be the case if there was any “shoddy work” done. Far as my father being a Republican has nothing to do with it. We pay taxes, just like everyone else.. This is our tax dollars! No one knows the facts as well as I do on this subject.. There is a big question... Is there bid rigging going on with our tax dollars? There sure seems to be. As far as "miscalculated", the school hired a firm to draw plans up; the plans were around a 150 squares off or 15,000 square feet. With the winter we had, the plans came out in February. Parts of the school had over 5 feet of snow on it. So getting precise measurements was not possible. Never the less, it was rebid. The same plans that were way off became the new plans f

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Rulesarerules

May-21-13 2:11 PM

I guess I don't understand the problem here. Since when do jobs always get rewarded to the lowest bidder? It has never worked that way and why would it change now? Bids are put in and the integrity and other topics decide who wins the bid. Quality and price don't go hand in hand, but sometime it is worth it to spend a little more to get it right.

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Whizzywhig

May-21-13 1:40 PM

Kidding or not,

you young bugger - you !

is black white, and is white black,

this is what republicans would have people like you believe.

Don’t forget for one minute, the rich and the republicans have financed appeals court judge elections in every state. .. .

For one purpose only:

To convince the populace that black is white and

white is black!

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Whizzywhig

May-21-13 1:39 PM

When it comes to the rich and the republicans,

The American Legislative Exchange Council,

The Oxford Foundation, and the likes of the minions of

snyder,

walker,

daniels,

kasich,

christy and

lepage,

the following synonyms come to mind for:

sneaky,

snake-like and

anything and everything against legal, wage-earning, American citizens, and their continuation of their standard of living, and the America Way of Life…

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Whizzywhig

May-21-13 1:37 PM

Of course you know this already,

the republican party led by these

asps,

serpents,

vipers and snakes

of which they are alternatively describes as:

contemptible,

deceitful,

devious,

disingenuous,

double-dealing,

duplicitous,

guileful,

malicious,

mean-spirited,

nasty,

recreant,

secretive,

shifty,

slippery,

sly,

snake-like

sneaking,

stealthy,

surreptitious,

tricky,

underhanded,

unscrupulous,

untrustworthy,

OTH,

The antithesis of sneaky, snake-like are the following:

aboveboard,

candid,

forthright,

frank,

honest

And

Sincere,

all of which terms are missing from the rich and the republican lexicon and ar·ma·men·tar·i·um Of words, ideals, and philosophies …

All kidding a snide,

you already knew these things 'cause you "looked it up" ?

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RedTigers

May-21-13 1:02 PM

What it come down to is the reputation of Independent Roofing and the jobs they have previously done at the Gladstone Schools. An earlier job was "bid" lower and eventually had to pay much higher than the bid because they "miscalculated" the job. They also have had history of not taking care of the roof after is was completed, although it was an installation problem that was the issue. Mr. Paul can set a lawsuit or injunction, but what about all the locals that should do the same to him for his companies shoddy work and over pricing. Now that he has been over looked, he feels the need to promote his self sense of power.

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YouGottaBeKidding

May-21-13 12:21 PM

Whizzy, open your Netscape Navigator's bookmark and get into your whizzipedia and look it up, yeah, the Michigan Attorney General is a Republican. That's right you already knew that, I'm sure you also know that Holder, the US Attorney General is quite a peach as well. As for how this bid was awarded, it's simple; a process was followed, not everyone agreed that the process was correct, doesn't it make sense to appeal, complain, seek an injunction, until the issue is resolved? Yes Whizzy the AG for Michigan is a Republican. Let it play out. Then come back and complain. But I bet you can't wait.....you old bugger you. Psst. Whizzy, the AG is a R! Oh and so is that sneaky Snyder!

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Whizzywhig

May-21-13 11:53 AM

Is the attorney general, a republican?

Once more republicans, who can't get what they want by buying votes, buying government representatives,

who were once deemed the electorates means of being heard in government circles,

and through their buying congressional legislation of some 78,000 pages of preferential tax codes favoring the rich and their corporations,

we now hear from another republican that had their 'only' way with people who needed roofing, and it was the same mantra, ‘our way’ or get somebody else !

How many times have republicans taken to getting their way, and a republican in particular, has sought to be disagreeable with anything that favors taxpayers in this area ….

Is the attorney general a republican?

I wouldn’t want this republican as a neighboring property owner, nor would I welcome presence here at the home as a roomy !

Is the attorney general a republican?

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