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Mich. health exchange: The fight is not over yet

March 11, 2013

LANSING (AP) — Gov. Rick Snyder’s attempt for legislative approval of a new health insurance market in Michigan has been a 1 1/2-year odyssey — and it’s not over yet....

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perplexed

Mar-11-13 11:42 AM

Please take into account that the Republican party is completely under the control of the lunatic fringe. Votes should be taken on all bill snot just those ones that please the money interests and the tea party. The Tea party is the KNOW NOTHING PARTY THAT EXISTED IN THE 1840'S AND 1850'S. No logic only blind doctrine.

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MikeDavis

Mar-11-13 1:27 PM

perplexed? You certainly are! I haven't seen one cognizant thought from you yet. We the people, are going to take this country back from the communists in charge.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 2:49 PM

NOW,

This is the REAL

ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY.

How many middle class and poor PEOPLE,

can say with certainty,

that congress has created 80,000 pages of IRS tax code for

THEIR BENEFIT?

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 2:50 PM

while, nearly 2500 of the 7500 state legislator’s, all members of ALEC,

in every of the 50 state legislatures,

write special interest, ‘model legislation‘,

pass laws, and

wage earning Americans take the financial beating,

and pay what every corporation and the rich use to evade tax payments, with 80,000 pages of congress-created tax breaks written solely for the entitlement rich’s benefit.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 2:52 PM

How can this be accomplished within and without effective regulation, law’s or legislation?

Simply,

by collectively inviting past and present members all of our units of government

to engage in ALEC’s covert conspiratorial, clandestine law-making…

republicans,

people such as

casperson,

mcbroom, and

republican governors

snyder,

kasich,

daniels,

christie,

lepage,

to name just a few,

all are republican‘s who subscribe to the American Legislative Exchange Council‘s lobbying effort and mentality….

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 2:53 PM

There is much public money at stake to divert to private parties,

just a small portion of which is education,

among much larger and more pots-of-gold,

waiting to be appropriated by the rich and their businesses.

There is a vast $84 BILLION dollar treasure pot-of-gold that U.S. taxpayers payout YEARLY for K-12 education in this country.

ALEC, and it’s republican supporters,

the rich, and business,

through federal, state and to a lesser extant, local unit’s of government,

seek to route public money to their treasure chests.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 2:54 PM

The impetus for this gross injustice

is

GREED

for

MORE and MORE

MONEY.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 2:55 PM

There are, narrowly speaking,

TWENTY-ONE, broad areas that the American Legislative Exchange Council seeks to remove from PUBLIC, or QUASI-PUBLIC governance.

The reason for this removal,

is solely to enhance their bank accounts through PRIVATIZATION, of here-to-fore, PUBLIC, governance mechanism’s, units of government, including, physical infrastructure, transit, education, public protection, and governance.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 2:57 PM

This is not fantasy thinking by any means,

or bolt of lightning to my head!

It would be incumbent upon ALL,

wage earning Americans

to review the covert inner workings of the secretive

American Legislative Exchange Council -ALEC.

Many responsible internet sites will inform the willing, with truthful, reliable information.

Once the curious find in fact what their motivation(s) are, then read what they have to say about themselves on their own internet site.

There is a vast difference, night and day, regarding what they pronounce and their actions.

This organization fester’s in the side of democracy, and with huge sums of private, unknown, hidden, money,

effectively removes the illusion of democratic government from the one-person-one-vote concept.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 2:58 PM

These organizations seek to set aside many years of law making and precedence,

any and all laws passed that limit their

money grabbing,

greedy tendencies

since the Great Depression of 1929.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 3:00 PM

These “lunatic fringe”

are a very LARGE,

well organized,

well financed group of people,

effectively and with a generally, accurately portrayed sweep of the brush, are

the rich,

their corporations, and

business types

who in the main are represented by

the U.S. Chamber of Commerce,

and, more recently,

by a group of secretive people,

The American Legislative Exchange Council, (ALEC), and not so secretive,

Citizens United,

the Tea Party, and

many, many under-the-radar,

privately financed groups of special-interest, tax-exempt corporations,

all lobbying OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS,

(REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS)

for the rich, the corporations, and all of their combined, special interests.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 3:02 PM

Perplexed,

your Quote:

“Please take into account that the Republican party is completely under the control of the lunatic fringe.”

“LUNATIC FRINGE”

to say there is Lunatic Fringe, is misleading at best.

At worst, it implies there are only a ‘few’ who are ‘lunatic’s’ fueling this misrepresentation.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 3:03 PM

Perplexed,

to a point, you are correct in what you say about only voting for those who financed these republican campaigns, and

seated republicans in seats of representation

which

should have been seats of REPRESENTATION of

ALL PEOPLE,

NOT,

just the rich,

their corporations

the plutocracy,

the oligarchy,

and

their tax break interests.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 3:04 PM

HERE IS ANOTHER

-AS SOME QUICKLY launch into their ignorant rant…

-more of the same old c.r.a.p. and

-some have said

-“stfu”,

some say I’m smarter,

-TRUE,

80 years of life experience is my mentor,

and the desire to not quit bleating about facts,

until my final breathe.

BUT FACING REALITY,

-IS NOT IN THEIR INTEREST.

SO - to those who would say these things

-DON’T GO ANY FURTHER,

-DON’T READ THIS C.R.A.P.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 3:06 PM

This is not as much to do about communists, or communism,

but more importantly,

the growing divide between the

‘have’s and the

‘have-nots.’

The ‘have’s’ are increasing their share of wealth faster and

more disproportionately in modern times,

while the middle class is shrinking, and the poor

are increasing at larger rates and increasing numbers.

If,

you are an American,

a person who must work for an hourly wage,

then,

this is for YOU!

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Vauche

Mar-11-13 4:10 PM

Whizzy, 80 years? You should be smarter. Conspiracy theories everywhere and you have the audacity to claim the republicans are lead by a "lunatic fringe". My friend there isn't any more lunacy or fringe than the stuff you're spouting. It's incomprehensible.

You ever had the thought that this massive government health care overhaul is a bad, bad, bad peice of legislation? You ever thought about how much it is going to cost? You ever thought about who is going to pay for it? You ever thought about what it will mean for quality of health care? I'm talking quality not quantity here.

The answer, NO you haven't! Why? Because you're so busy trying to figure out how you've been screwed, who's doing the fictitious screwing that you can't logically conclude adding 30 million plus people into the health care system is going to cost a whole lot of money.

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Vauche

Mar-11-13 4:34 PM

Further, you can make a list filled with big governement dems and liberal progressive too. You preach of the rich and the republicans yet you fail to consider that even democrats or liberals aren't going to let you keep your money either. Dems and libs want your money just the same only difference is they want to spend it their way.

Is freedom really big government and massive regulations in your book? Is freedom really the nanny-state? Has any form of wealth redistribution ever brought someone out of poverty, anywhere? Do you honestly believe if the rich get less you will have more?

In terms of this health care, you will NOT have more, you will actually get less. Sure the rich won't have their cadillac plans but niether will anyone. You see another way to think about share the wealth is bringing everyone down to the least common denominator. Nobody moves up yet many move down and the proverbial gap is closed. That's what you want right?

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 4:57 PM

Better learn how to read.

Better learn how to comprehend.

NOWHERE DID I STATE ANYTHING ABOUT THE LUNATIC REPUBLICAN FRINGE, I quoted the other fellow.

RE-READ.

Perhaps you have ADD,

unable to make transitions or understand sentences longer than four words.

I don’t pretend to be gifted in understand learning disabilities

or ignorance, both of which you display.

Further,

Poochie, doochie, voochie, whatever...

DON’T CALL ME ‘MY FRIEND’

I am choosey,

about associating with known ignoramuses.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 4:58 PM

Voochie,

The whole idea is that the two-party system is dysfunctional, a factual presentation.

My rant is nothing about conspiracy,

but your mouth is spouting that,

the presented rant is based on empirical evidence and not rationalization.

Look up the meanings.

Most importantly, the rich, their corporations, and their paid hired hands in government carry out their wanton aggression over the have-not’s.

Bring yourself to understanding plutocracy, oligarchy, the rich, the electoral college and then when you are able to comment with this understanding, I will consider talking to you in debate.

Until then, you’re out of your league.

Grow Up!

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frogleggs

Mar-11-13 5:41 PM

Vauche

Are you against the ability to ‘shop’ for insurance.

Most of the rich, be they republicans or democrats, are none the less rich, and would have you tied to their non-competitive price and plan competition, after all, having to compete in the market place is expensive versus, take it or leave, pricing!

Clearly, medical costs will never go down.

Who, will pay for healthcare?

Everyone that pay’s for the uninsured today, either has insurance, or pay’s exorbitant healthcare charges to defray the costs incurred by providers for non-paying healthcare recipients.

You can understand, healthcare providers, businesses, either for profit or not, will not stand in line to pay for anyone that cannot afford medical care.

Vauche,

How will anyone but the rich, be able to afford healthcare?

Everyone, that isn't rich, should have the ability today to receive medical care.

What is your solution?

Nothing so far from you.

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Vauche

Mar-11-13 5:45 PM

"Most importantly, the rich, their corporations, and their paid hired hands in government carry out their wanton aggression over the have-not’s." - Yes truly not a conspiracy theory!

"These “lunatic fringe” are a very LARGE, well organized, well financed group of people, effectively and with a generally, accurately portrayed sweep of the brush, are the rich, their corporations, and business types who in the main are represented by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and, more recently, by a group of secretive people, The American Legislative Exchange Council, (ALEC), and not so secretive, Citizens United, the Tea Party, and many, many under-the-radar, privately financed groups of special-interest, tax-exempt corporations, all lobbying OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, (REPUBLICAN LEGISLATORS" - again no conspiracy theory here, oh yeah no implication of association between "Lunatic Fringe" and republicans.

I can comprehend, you do make it difficult.

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Whizzywhig

Mar-11-13 5:58 PM

Perplexed:

“Please take into account that the Republican party is completely under the control of the lunatic fringe.”

========

Vauchee,

You are adept at cut-and-paste,

but not so in comprehension or reading, or re-reading or….

My rant clearly illustrated who/what the republican party represents and where they get their poltics:

greed!

Read.

Read..

and

and then if you don't succeed...

Re-read...

If at first you don’t understand.

then it is:

ADD!

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Vauche

Mar-11-13 6:02 PM

Frog, absolutely I'm all for being able to "shop" for insurance. Interstate insurance would be great for competition and lowering prices.

I'm not for mandates on all! The requirement to have to buy something. I'm not for the government telling private corporations what their insurance policies have to contain/cover.

Who will pay? The same dang people who pay now! That's the point. This changes nothing except increasing the price of premiums. You and I will still pay for those that can't afford health insurance, up to 90% of premiums if I remember the numbers. So, you and I still pay for those who can't AND our own premiums go up. Is that a good thing?

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frogleggs

Mar-11-13 6:03 PM

whizzywig,

Better give it a rest.

You're dealing with a wit.

Half, dim and nit,

all the product of inbreading.

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frogleggs

Mar-11-13 6:33 PM

Insurance companies, like any business, love shell-games!

Who should insist these money making schmucks tow the line?

Who?

Someone for the ‘common-good’, that’s who!

And the same who,

that provides for the national defense, etc.,

is the only entity to have the clout and hammer to swage these charlatans into line.

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