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Officials mar game

January 30, 2013

HARRIS — On paper and as far as any record will show, the Munising Mustangs beat the Bark River-Harris Broncos 49-43 Tuesday night. Unfortunately, there is more to it than that....

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Joe906

Jan-30-13 4:10 PM

Kudos to you Mr. Shelton! I am glad to see that somebody is FINALLY bringing this on-going issue, bad and sometimes blatantly bad officiating, to the forefront. I am not sure what can be done about it, but something needs to be done!

If you have never experienced officiating like you just did, then obviously you have not attended a Carney home game. That school has their home officials in their back pocket! That could stem from the fact that the officials that do all the Carney home games are the same ones that get paid to ref the Carney summer league. And anyone who has played in leagues like that knows the "bonding" that can occur. It's all a sham.

Go Jets!

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Baller

Jan-30-13 4:35 PM

This "crew" needs to retire. They have always been bad and have become worse because they are too slow to keep up with play. The ineptitude of officials is becoming more and more obvious as the years go on. MHSAA needs to get a handle on this problem.

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KellyMadalinski

Jan-30-13 5:35 PM

Thank you Keith Shelton for speaking out and voicing a very accurate account of that game last night in Bark River. On the ride home last evening, all we could say is "wow!", not only did our Bronco team play an amazing game, offensively and defensively, but we watched the refs take it all away from us. I have been an avid fan of high school basketball since I was a player myself way back in the early 80's. There were obnoxious fans and horrible refs even then. But I have seen in the past 3 or 4 years a HUGE decline in the standards of officiating by the vast majority of refs, at least in our class D division. We have seen so many games decided entirely on the refs and not the play of the game. Especially when we play in Crystal Falls. We don't find it any better when there are 3 refs then 2. Thank you for addressing this issue. It's been needed for a very long time.

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SCP007

Jan-30-13 8:39 PM

I am also glad to see this issue being brought to attention. I happened to be at this particular game watching my cousin play. The referees were horrible, bad calls for both teams. There is no way that they should be responsible for officiating anymore. Firstly, they weren't even making the effort to run to the other end of the gym, AND making calls from the free-throw line of the opposite side of the court. That is not acceptable, at any level. The only thing they seemed to be doing was making small talk with the coaches and the fans. They should not, by any means be reffing, not one more game. I can understand making a mistake or two, but not calling fouls and travels, not acceptable. Like I said previously, there were terrible calls going in both directions. I hope this issue can be resolved before its too late. I feel this is like watching the 'replacement refs' the first few weeks of the NFL.

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stase111

Jan-31-13 9:15 AM

I feel this writer in general was on track that officals do sometimes mar the game. In this case fouls were 16-11, Bark River hired the refs, the refs cashed a Bark River check, they did not get off the Munising bus, and yes they are from Marquette area.. with all that being said. How can a sports writer who states "I am not a fan, except of the sport in general. I am an impartial writer. I record what happens in the game and bring it to the readers" being a impartial writer never discussed this with the Munising coach..Its a Escanaba paper who sell copies to Bark River Fans. I am from esky, class of 1982. I worked for the daily press taking pictures.. My advice is to always have 3 refs on the court.. and before people say how refs mar the game, go out take the test and ref the next game. that will really open your eyes..Dan Stasewich

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STONGE

Jan-31-13 11:02 AM

It is truly a sad day in HS sports when fans and sports writers have to write derogatory comments abouts officials? I am sure most if not at have never put on a shirt for a BB contest, HS, Middle school or even voluntarily on a Sat afternoon to help out? But than your team loses for whatever reason, and the first order of business is to blame the official?? Not yourselves for not making every lay up of not defending well enough, or may be not hustling on every play? Just that the officials "cost us the game"! While I have been a player, and an official for over 25 years, and have heard all the negative comments, from parents, grandparnts,relatives and evenfrom people were not at the event themselves. It is even more discouraging to have some two bit sports writer,who probably never even paid to get into the contest in the first place, write an article that is the furthest from the truth. You have only weakened a profession that is lacking officials as it is!!

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STONGE

Jan-31-13 11:18 AM

Joe906, put your real name out there? And you BALLER? let me know when you next Varsity BB contest is? I would sure love to come and watch you officiate? My name is James St.Onge, son of the Ref you people are posting negative comments about. I will never disagree that we do make mistakes!!Aboslutely we do!! But we give up our time to travel across the UP on winter nights for the kids!!! not for you people who sit in the stands and throw out your embarassing comments. And Joe,if you do not like the refs in the Carney summer league, maybe you should be part of the solution, instead of being part of the problem? Im sure the Carney Summer League and Mr.Polfus who has given up most of his adult life to put on this event would appreciate it if you helped out instead?? Put on shirt, or keep your comments to yourself please.

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STONGE

Jan-31-13 11:38 AM

On one final note, Mr. Shelton, it really is truly sad that you could go to HS BB game, and this is all you could write about? Have you ever spoken to these refs, talked to them on a personal note at all over your illustrious 3 year career as a so called "sports writer" ? I no you have not! And to question someones character is truly sickening. These refs have given over 40 years of their lives to help make UP HS sports a better place. Like I said before you have only weakend a profession that is always looking for new officials? But, I am sure you have the answer to that? -Buckets Forever- Jim St.Onge

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MICHIGANROCKS

Jan-31-13 12:28 PM

I believe this writer stated facts and made no person attacts against the officials. Officials do spend alot of time on the road and alot of time suffering abuse mostly undeserved. But in this game it was a horrible officated game. There were faces made by the officials, eye rolling and comments to fans all from the officials, not to mention the obvious no calls from both sides. I give this writer credit for printing something that would cause back lash. Good Job!

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KPrice

Jan-31-13 1:37 PM

"I give this writer credit for printing something that would cause back lash. Good Job!"

How about you give those officials some credit for doing a job that they know will cause them back lash?? I wasn't at the game, but I can say that both of those officials are very well respected officals and I have had the great pleasure of working with one of them for multiple game this season. Don't be so quick to jump all over someone for a "bad game" in a few peoples eyes.

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CaseyFord

Jan-31-13 1:48 PM

Why is it pointed out that these officials were from Marquette County? Does it matter? Do officials call the game different in counties? Munising is in ALGER COUNTY for the record, and that means these officials (who are not mentioned in the article) should have been unbiased....

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CaseyFord

Jan-31-13 2:19 PM

How many games has this "writer" officiated? If it's so easy and he can see everything, why isn't he out officiating? It has to pay better then writing in a newspaper. I have been a baseball fan/announcer for many years and the game is completely different officiating it. Put down the pen and paper and get out and show us what you got!

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AdamCarp

Jan-31-13 3:37 PM

Wow. How did this article help MHSAA sports? Did it bring victory home where it should be? I find this article to be unprofessional, muckraking, almost yellow journalism. You are pandering to your local readers while, at the same time, hurting MHSAA sports overall. Maybe the officials did make key mistakes and BRH could have won the game. Or maybe those kids learned there is more to playing the game than winning. I have either played HS sports and have been an avid supporter of many sports (as well as reported on them) for many years. I've had MANY bad calls go against my team. The fact is MHSAA refs do what they do because they love the game. The money is PEANUTS!!! But guess what... the sun came up today and life goes on and by nature, comes with bad breaks and is sometimes UNFAIR. The major fact that eats me the most is calling them out by where they are from. WHY??? You taught those kids a bad lesson with this article and maybe dissuaded some good refs from the MHSAA.

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evictor24

Jan-31-13 4:02 PM

Officials, players and coaches all have jobs out there. And all three are going to make mistakes. There's no way you'd see an entire article blaming the outcome of a MHSAA contest on a single player or coach - It would be about as tasteless as this one.

The truth is, we are severely understaffed with registered officials in our area, and I can't say that this article was a very good recruiting piece. If anything, it's scaring people away from the profession.

And what do you think the MHSAA is going to do with your complaint? Commend you for your outstanding sportsmanship by publicity humiliating these officials in an online forum? Send "better" officials from the Lansing area up to BR-H on a Tuesday night for the going rate of $50?

I can't believe your supervisor let you publish this. It's an embarrassment to the sport and our communities.

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Joe906

Feb-01-13 11:58 AM

The attitude shown here by STONGE is exactly what carries over onto the floor with many of these officials, and that's part of what causes the issues. The argument that 'if you haven't reffed a game you have no room to critique officiating' is as flawed as saying one cannot complain about politics because he/she has never been a politician. It's utter nonsense! I appreciate what the officials do for the players and teams. Without them there is no game. I understand the time and effort they put in and I for one applaud them for doing what they do. But to say they "give of their time' is NOT exactly true - they are PAID to ref. So drop the do-gooder attitude. You're getting paid. To believe that you are beyond the fans in light years in regards to seeing and calling a game is ludicrous. And to act as such during a contest or here in these comments just shows what some of these refs are made of - conceit and arrogance and ignorance. These games are for and about the kids, not you Mr

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gray24

Feb-01-13 12:05 PM

wow!!! A whole three years!These refs have forgotten more about basketball then you'll ever know.Get a shirt and whistle and lets see how you do.

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PaulPolfus

Feb-01-13 1:03 PM

Joe, Don't know where you get your information about "referees in the back pocket." Here is a little factual information. Of all the referees in the Carney Summer League only one does high school varsity game, and the trrue purpose of the league is to give players of all ages a chance to play and compete against all levels. The players who do participate appreciate the time the officials give during the summer. Yes there is bonding at the Summer League because that is one of the intentions of the program, so thank you for that comment.At some point in your life you might want to consider just cheering for your team and try to abstain from bashing other comminities etc of which you really have no understanding.

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YooperBill

Feb-01-13 1:35 PM

I have been following along here and now that I see PaulPolfus has joined in I had to too. A bit off topic but I just have to ask; PaulPolfus, are you still wearing those illegal yellow colored uniforms? With your vast knowledge of MHSAA rules I would think that you know that the primary color of home uniforms is BY RULE to be WHITE. I believe this was addressed directly to you by a coach from another school which you replied that you have a waiver. Well, here's what the MHSAA had to say about that last week, and I will quote the email my friend received from MHSAA: "Carney was provided a waiver to wear a jersey color other than white. However, the team should now be wearing white jerseys."......can you explain why you are still wearing yellows then? Or like with joe906 is that none of my business either?

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MPOLFUS

Feb-01-13 1:52 PM

Wow....

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gray24

Feb-01-13 1:54 PM

First the refs and you can't beat Carney because they wear yellow jerseys. Lots of sour grapes

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PaulPolfus

Feb-01-13 2:11 PM

In response to YooperBill. Protocol says that in the case of the inability to wear white home uniforms (Whites were being embroidered with correct spelling of a mistake the printers made) the opposing team should be notified, referees notified and an email sent to the MHSAA office. In this case all criteria were met. I contacted Nate Hampton, explained the situation. He said that was fine. The opposing coach was notified, stating he had no issued with it, both referees were also notified. As Nate stated to me after to just make him aware of when we received our whites back. It amazes me how much other people other than those who are directly involved show so much concern over the situation before they get the facts. Other than that the MHSAA was completly satisfied so that really is my only concern.

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YooperBill

Feb-01-13 2:13 PM

to gray24, hahahaha we did just beat carney at home in their yellows. No sour grapes here.

to mpolfus, "wow"? Is that your explanation for not following MHSAA rules? Please explain the yellow home uniforms. Why the double standard when it comes to a MHSAA rule? Why no answer about the waiver here yet? What's the real deal with that?

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YooperBill

Feb-01-13 2:35 PM

Being embroidered because of a mistake? I'll call BS on that one. So, you ordered 3 colors of uniforms this year? white, yellow and green? I'll call BS on that one too. How is it that your home game on 1/15 you are in whites but then on 1/25 you are again back in home yellows?????? Seems to me that there is proof that you do have home whites.

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gray24

Feb-01-13 3:13 PM

I guess we know what school you're embarrissing now.

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MPOLFUS

Feb-01-13 3:29 PM

ive seen teams wear black at home and no one cares or says anything, nor do I sit here and complain about it, because i don't have a problem with it. there is definately more to a game than the color of a teams uniform.

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